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viernes, 30 de octubre de 2009
Compulsory Education in Spain
The Spanish Minister for Education suggested that education should be compulsory up to the age of 18. What do you think about this proposal? Leave your comment.
In my opinion the Minister for Education is wrong. That he should do is to improve the quality of education for young people who want to study (for example in foreing languages and computers) and give other options for the ones that don´t like study, as for example work-based training or vocacional diplomas in order to help them to find a job. Maybe this can avoid the high drop out rate in secondary students in this country.
From my point of view, the Minister of Education is wrong, because if they want to improve our education system, the way is not to icrease the compulsory age of our students. I think if students do not want to continue whit their studies, we have to offer them another choice, for example to lear how to work in a specific kind of job. If they must continue in class we will have more and more problems of conduct and at the end it will be worst for other students who want to be there.
Are we crazy or what? Compulsary Education up to the age of 18...Who is going to suffer from this nonsense? Obviously, secondary teachers. In my opinion, it's just a way of placing teenagers anywere but looking for a job...because there isn't any!
This is only a suggestion from Minister and first it´s neccessary to provide more money for education quality. The student who doesn´t want to study at 16 is not going to study at 18, but maybe could have a better education and to decide their future in a better way. It´s clear that this measure needs consensus of parents, teachers and students.
I don't agree with the Minister of Education. In my opinion, the compulsory age to study at highschool should be 16, like now. I think a 16 year-old person is ready to work if he or she want instead of continuing studying. The Minister should focus on improving the quality of education in Spain
Well, I think this is a good debate. The main problem of education is the school failure so we should center in that point before other measures. Maybe, the extension of the compulsory education is not the solution, although some countries that have already applied it can see certain progress. On the one hand, if we force people to study until 18 the consequence could be more school failure and more problems in the class environment. On the other hand, it could improve the possibilities of finding a job. Anyway, this proposal has to be studied at length.
Well, more or less all opinions are in the same way, in desagreement. We are suffering a global crisis, it´s time to invest in education even when it´s not sure if government can support such an expensive plan. In my honest opinion the clue is that an student is not an unemployed who appears in a list. This could be the goal for the minister, to reduce unemployment list.
In my opinion to make education compulsory up to the age of 18 is not a good idea because students who want to study don't need a law to do it and the teenagers that don't want to study at the age of 16, will interrupt the lessons. Moreover, there are a lot of people in the twenties or in the thirties that come back to the high schools to study when they want because when they were 15 years they didn't study, so it's not neccesary to make education compulsory up to the age of 18.
First of all, I think Education up to the age of 18 should be a right not an obligation. Nowadays, students receive a lot of influences from the environment, especially from video games and parties, among others. They don´t have the sense of time and even they don´t want to know anything about to prepare themselves for the future. The student that works every day and gets good marks is a bug, from the school fellow´s point of view. I think is a mission impossible to force students to be at high schols up to the age of 18. It will be a big problem not a solution. All the people have the possibility to chose if the want to sudy or not, and right now, those that said no have the opportunity of coming back, so I think we should not modify the law. today, the 50% of the Castilla-La Mancha students don´t start the Bachillerato, and if they are forced to do it they will make life impossible for those that really want to study
On the one hand, I think it’s a good government strategy in order to reduce the level of unemployment because the population between the age of 16 to 18 would not register as unemployed. On the other hand, from my point of view, the government should provide young people, who don’t want to study, with other options like work-based training, apprenticeships or vocational diplomas in order to help them to find a job. Encarna.
I agree with my classmates. The Minister of Education is crazy! In my opinion the Minister doesn't think about what teachers are going to suffer with this because it'll be really difficult to deal with these students who don't want to study but they'll be force to do it. I think the Minister should try to teach them and then they could think about changing things that will improve education.
I agree with the Minister of Education. First of all, he only suggested a compulsory education up 18 but he didn´t say anything about what kind of education would be. Obviously, we can´t think about traditional education. This proposal would be very interesting with a special education, in order to prepare teenagers to find a job, to learn a craft or work. I think education and culture are the best protections to teenagers,learning to defend from real world. What do you think about a teenager who is working at 16 without education or culture? Do you like that for your children? a teenager who is working at 16 doesn´t know anything about life, he will be exploted for contractors or governments. he won´t be free in their life.
Nowdays there are a problem with students that don`t want to study. What should we do with them? To stay at school without "anything" to do, with the same contents and subjects, I think it's bad for them. If the authorities offer several educational posibilities and invest enough money and resources in the education, probably our qualifications will improve in a few years.
The European Union educational systems have the same problem, the secondary school, and in Spain the problem concerning school abandonment is even bigger, actualy one of the biggest in OCDE educational systems.
I know many systems like the German, have a compulsory education until 18 years old, however the context is different in Spain, and that measure could bring several problems.
Problems with the student who want to work and do not want to study, problems with teachers who are frustated because they have to deal with nasty students, and the worst situation, student who want to study disturbed by the students who do not want to study. So everybody is unhappy except the politicians because the 17 and 18 years old boys can´t go to INEM so the unemployment rate decreases.
In my oppinion I think is not a good idea because there are a lot of students that don´t want to study at the age of 16 or even before. And to increase the compulsory age of the students would be a mistake. The consecuence of it could be more problems in the class I think the proposal of the Spanish Minister for Education has been done to reduce unemployment list
It is likely that the minister wants to offer a new chance to the sixteen-year old student who has failed. But I'd recommend him to do a previous reflection: Can we see as normal the fact that a boy or a girl at that age feels himself or herself as if he/she had failed? What kind of system and what kind of education is that which, instead of leading the students to the development of their capacities, stigmatize them for all their life? I think that the word failure shouldn't be applied to the students but rather to the system and, mainly, to the politicians who are not at the service of citizens but at their own service. In short, first of all let's change our current "antieducation system" with those who believe in public school, with those who know it and love it. Take your time and refresh your ideas, dear minister, and we'll discuss about your plan later.
I agree with my partners in almost all the opinions but...we have to think about the goverment purpose...Goverment wants the best to their society, then, the purpose could be to get a more culture society or maybe help people who are not aware of what life is...Actually, we don't know anything about the project... From my point of view, I don't know if this is the most correct way to do it, however it could be an opportunity to help a lot of people who don't know what to do in their lives (in that difficult age).
what´s the real subjet to deal? The Compulsary Education up to the age of 18? or The Educational System?. I think the real problem is the actual Educational System. As we know Spain is clasified as one of worst OCDE educational systems so I don´t agree with the Education Minister in this case because, it won´t be better that the students have Compulsary Education up to the age of 18, not with this system, why is going to change?. No absolutely I think it´s a way to keep people out of looking for a job. Of course it´s my opinion. Javier
I agree with my classmates. I think that it is a big mistake to increase the age of compulsory studies until the 18. Our country has more important problems to be result before. Now, it's not time to discuss about education.
Would you prefer teenagers to be working without any kind of qualification? And, what will happen with them when they become older and just can find an awful job with a low salary? In my opinion, it´s not the future that we want for our teenagers. They need to be prepared to get a good job so it´s necessary to provide them with different skills to improve their possibilities.If we want to reach it, we should start with a big change on the Primary Educational Sistem and then, on Secundary Scools, give to the teenagers a big range of possibilities to choose their preparation for the future.
In my opinion, this is only a way to decrease the unemployment rate because there is no need to make the education compulsory until 18. The main problem in education is the law not the compulsory age. We are talking about qualification but we all know we have colleges where people who left school before 18(and after 16) can learn what they need to get a job. We all don't have the same intellectual skills and people that doesn't like studying must have the choice of an alternative and more practical education so they can get a job. The problem is that some people get a job without any formation and that's because of the law, so I say: Revise the law to avoid the people work without the proper formation and there will be no need to make the education compulsory until 18.
I don´t agree with the Minister of Educacion. In my opinion, to make compulsory the educacion up to the age of 18, it isn´t a good idea because there are many teenagers that don´t want to study.That situation could cause more problems in the classroom. The goverment should offer others possibilities to teenagers. Elisabet
In my opinion, the great problem about Education in Spain won´t be solved with this proposal. The debated is served, but the Education (the base of the country´s success) and finally our teenagers are the only things that are injured with these conflicts. I think the goverment´s efforts have to be directed at a very important change of our eductive system. I hope it´s an only proposal, and ours governors, whatever their ideologies, try to work in a serious way in order to improve the painful Spain´s education´s situation in the world ranking. Maite
I do not agree with the proposal of this government. I think it is a way of entertaining or distracting, because there are many problems in our society. The proposal is a stupid thing to talk about this in spite of truly troubles that actually is happened. Everybody should be at school until 18-21, but we can not force to anyone who do not want to study, because they can disturb people who do want to study or to be educated. In all governments there is someone who has to tell jokes. If teenagers can abort without telling their parents, how can we do any law to force to study? Pedro N.
I don´t agree anything at all with the Minister. We have in High Schools a lot of teenagers who don´t want to study. Compulsory education until 18 is not the solution. I think it´s only a way for doing the statistics of employment a little better. If we force people to study, there will be more problems and school failure will be bigger.
I agree with all comments what had been published before me, of course. I don't know what more I can add, because the main reasons had been presented. Nowdays, I think there are a lot of problems with students from 14 to 16 who don't want to study but they have to go to school. So, The Government could think to set up some module or workshop for that kind of students to get them basic work skills. Irene g.
I agree with Antonio, teenagers have to be prepared to find a job or simply to be prepared for their owns lives and as much education and culture they´ll have much more defence they´ll have in the world. In my opinion one thing is clear, the actual system has to be revised at least.
In my opinion is not a good idea to make compulsory the education up to the age of 18. I can’t find a good reason for agree with this idea. It’s true that if there are no places of work for all the people that want to, one way to make lower the number of unemployers is delaying the age in which young people can look for their first job. Educational ambient is better when students want to learn but all those who don’t want to stay at school will only spoil the class and disturb their classmates. In my opinion 16 years old is a good limit for compulsory education.
The Minister doesn´t know the education reality. He has never been in a class with thirty teenagers, who , about 30% of them, don´t want to study. I´m a teacher and I´m tired of seeing a lot of young people with a shoe size 40 who spend six hours a day sitting in a chair without doing anything. I don´t want this kind of education any longer, who does?
In my opinion the Minister for Education is wrong. That he should do is to improve the quality of education for young people who want to study (for example in foreing languages and computers) and give other options for the ones that don´t like study, as for example work-based training or vocacional diplomas in order to help them to find a job. Maybe this can avoid the high drop out rate in secondary students in this country.
ResponderEliminarFrom my point of view, the Minister of Education is wrong, because if they want to improve our education system, the way is not to icrease the compulsory age of our students. I think if students do not want to continue whit their studies, we have to offer them another choice, for example to lear how to work in a specific kind of job. If they must continue in class we will have more and more problems of conduct and at the end it will be worst for other students who want to be there.
ResponderEliminarAre we crazy or what? Compulsary Education up to the age of 18...Who is going to suffer from this nonsense? Obviously, secondary teachers. In my opinion, it's just a way of placing teenagers anywere but looking for a job...because there isn't any!
ResponderEliminarThis is only a suggestion from Minister and first it´s neccessary to provide more money for education quality. The student who doesn´t want to study at 16 is not going to study at 18, but maybe could have a better education and to decide their future in a better way. It´s clear that this measure needs consensus of parents, teachers and students.
ResponderEliminarI don't agree with the Minister of Education. In my opinion, the compulsory age to study at highschool should be 16, like now. I think a 16 year-old person is ready to work if he or she want instead of continuing studying. The Minister should focus on improving the quality of education in Spain
ResponderEliminarWell, I think this is a good debate. The main problem of education is the school failure so we should center in that point before other measures. Maybe, the extension of the compulsory education is not the solution, although some countries that have already applied it can see certain progress.
ResponderEliminarOn the one hand, if we force people to study until 18 the consequence could be more school failure and more problems in the class environment. On the other hand, it could improve the possibilities of finding a job.
Anyway, this proposal has to be studied at length.
Well, more or less all opinions are in the same way, in desagreement.
ResponderEliminarWe are suffering a global crisis, it´s time to invest in education even when it´s not sure if government can support such an expensive plan.
In my honest opinion the clue is that an student is not an unemployed who appears in a list. This could be the goal for the minister, to reduce unemployment list.
In my opinion to make education compulsory up to the age of 18 is not a good idea because students who want to study don't need a law to do it and the teenagers that don't want to study at the age of 16, will interrupt the lessons.
ResponderEliminarMoreover, there are a lot of people in the twenties or in the thirties that come back to the high schools to study when they want because when they were 15 years they didn't study, so it's not neccesary to make education compulsory up to the age of 18.
First of all, I think Education up to the age of 18 should be a right not an obligation. Nowadays, students receive a lot of influences from the environment, especially from video games and parties, among others. They don´t have the sense of time and even they don´t want to know anything about to prepare themselves for the future. The student that works every day and gets good marks is a bug, from the school fellow´s point of view. I think is a mission impossible to force students to be at high schols up to the age of 18. It will be a big problem not a solution. All the people have the possibility to chose if the want to sudy or not, and right now, those that said no have the opportunity of coming back, so I think we should not modify the law. today, the 50% of the Castilla-La Mancha students don´t start the Bachillerato, and if they are forced to do it they will make life impossible for those that really want to study
ResponderEliminarOn the one hand, I think it’s a good government strategy in order to reduce the level of unemployment because the population between the age of 16 to 18 would not register as unemployed. On the other hand, from my point of view, the government should provide young people, who don’t want to study, with other options like work-based training, apprenticeships or vocational diplomas in order to help them to find a job.
ResponderEliminarEncarna.
I agree with my classmates. The Minister of Education is crazy! In my opinion the Minister doesn't think about what teachers are going to suffer with this because it'll be really difficult to deal with these students who don't want to study but they'll be force to do it. I think the Minister should try to teach them and then they could think about changing things that will improve education.
ResponderEliminarI agree with the Minister of Education. First of all, he only suggested a compulsory education up 18 but he didn´t say anything about what kind of education would be. Obviously, we can´t think about traditional education. This proposal would be very interesting with a special education, in order to prepare teenagers to find a job, to learn a craft or work. I think education and culture are the best protections to teenagers,learning to defend from real world. What do you think about a teenager who is working at 16 without education or culture? Do you like that for your children? a teenager who is working at 16 doesn´t know anything about life, he will be exploted for contractors or governments. he won´t be free in their life.
ResponderEliminarNowdays there are a problem with students that don`t want to study. What should we do with them? To stay at school without "anything" to do, with the same contents and subjects, I think it's bad for them. If the authorities offer several educational posibilities and invest enough money and resources in the education, probably our qualifications will improve in a few years.
ResponderEliminarThe European Union educational systems have the same problem, the secondary school, and in Spain the problem concerning school abandonment is even bigger, actualy one of the biggest in OCDE educational systems.
ResponderEliminarI know many systems like the German, have a compulsory education until 18 years old, however the context is different in Spain, and that measure could bring several problems.
Problems with the student who want to work and do not want to study, problems with teachers who are frustated because they have to deal with nasty students, and the worst situation, student who want to study disturbed by the students who do not want to study. So everybody is unhappy except the politicians because the 17 and 18 years old boys can´t go to INEM so the unemployment rate decreases.
Jose
In my oppinion I think is not a good idea because there are a lot of students that don´t want to study at the age of 16 or even before. And to increase the compulsory age of the students would be a mistake.
ResponderEliminarThe consecuence of it could be more problems in the class
I think the proposal of the Spanish Minister for Education has been done to reduce unemployment list
It is likely that the minister wants to offer a new chance to the sixteen-year old student who has failed. But I'd recommend him to do a previous reflection: Can we see as normal the fact that a boy or a girl at that age feels himself or herself as if he/she had failed? What kind of system and what kind of education is that which, instead of leading the students to the development of their capacities, stigmatize them for all their life? I think that the word failure shouldn't be applied to the students but rather to the system and, mainly, to the politicians who are not at the service of citizens but at their own service. In short, first of all let's change our current "antieducation system" with those who believe in public school, with those who know it and love it. Take your time and refresh your ideas, dear minister, and we'll discuss about your plan later.
ResponderEliminarI agree with my partners in almost all the opinions but...we have to think about the goverment purpose...Goverment wants the best to their society, then, the purpose could be to get a more culture society or maybe help people who are not aware of what life is...Actually, we don't know anything about the project...
ResponderEliminarFrom my point of view, I don't know if this is the most correct way to do it, however it could be an opportunity to help a lot of people who don't know what to do in their lives (in that difficult age).
what´s the real subjet to deal? The Compulsary Education up to the age of 18? or The Educational System?. I think the real problem is the actual Educational System. As we know Spain is clasified as one of worst OCDE educational systems so I don´t agree with the Education Minister in this case because, it won´t be better that the students have Compulsary Education up to the age of 18, not with this system, why is going to change?. No absolutely I think it´s a way to keep people out of looking for a job. Of course it´s my opinion. Javier
ResponderEliminarI agree with my classmates. I think that it is a big mistake to increase the age of compulsory studies until the 18. Our country has more important problems to be result before. Now, it's not time to discuss about education.
ResponderEliminarWould you prefer teenagers to be working without any kind of qualification? And, what will happen with them when they become older and just can find an awful job with a low salary?
ResponderEliminarIn my opinion, it´s not the future that we want for our teenagers. They need to be prepared to get a good job so it´s necessary to provide them with different skills to improve their possibilities.If we want to reach it, we should start with a big change on the Primary Educational Sistem and then, on Secundary Scools, give to the teenagers a big range of possibilities to choose their preparation for the future.
In my opinion, this is only a way to decrease the unemployment rate because there is no need to make the education compulsory until 18. The main problem in education is the law not the compulsory age. We are talking about qualification but we all know we have colleges where people who left school before 18(and after 16) can learn what they need to get a job. We all don't have the same intellectual skills and people that doesn't like studying must have the choice of an alternative and more practical education so they can get a job. The problem is that some people get a job without any formation and that's because of the law, so I say: Revise the law to avoid the people work without the proper formation and there will be no need to make the education compulsory until 18.
ResponderEliminarI don´t agree with the Minister of Educacion. In my opinion, to make compulsory the educacion up to the age of 18, it isn´t a good idea because there are many teenagers that don´t want to study.That situation could cause more problems in the classroom.
ResponderEliminarThe goverment should offer others possibilities to teenagers.
Elisabet
In my opinion, the great problem about Education in Spain won´t be solved with this proposal.
ResponderEliminarThe debated is served, but the Education (the base of the country´s success) and finally our teenagers are the only things that are injured with these conflicts.
I think the goverment´s efforts have to be directed at a very important change of our eductive system.
I hope it´s an only proposal, and ours governors, whatever their ideologies, try to work in a serious way in order to improve the painful Spain´s education´s situation in the world ranking.
Maite
I do not agree with the proposal of this government. I think it is a way of entertaining or distracting, because there are many problems in our society. The proposal is a stupid thing to talk about this in spite of truly troubles that actually is happened. Everybody should be at school until 18-21, but we can not force to anyone who do not want to study, because they can disturb people who do want to study or to be educated. In all governments there is someone who has to tell jokes. If teenagers can abort without telling their parents, how can we do any law to force to study? Pedro N.
ResponderEliminarI don´t agree anything at all with the Minister. We have in High Schools a lot of teenagers who don´t want to study. Compulsory education until 18 is not the solution. I think it´s only a way for doing the statistics of employment a little better. If we force people to study, there will be more problems and school failure will be bigger.
ResponderEliminarI agree with all comments what had been published before me, of course. I don't know what more I can add, because the main reasons had been presented.
ResponderEliminarNowdays, I think there are a lot of problems with students from 14 to 16 who don't want to study but they have to go to school. So, The Government could think to set up some module or workshop for that kind of students to get them basic work skills.
Irene g.
I agree with Antonio, teenagers have to be prepared to find a job or simply to be prepared for their owns lives and as much education and culture they´ll have much more defence they´ll have in the world. In my opinion one thing is clear, the actual system has to be revised at least.
ResponderEliminarÁurea
In my opinion is not a good idea to make compulsory the education up to the age of 18. I can’t find a good reason for agree with this idea. It’s true that if there are no places of work for all the people that want to, one way to make lower the number of unemployers is delaying the age in which young people can look for their first job.
ResponderEliminarEducational ambient is better when students want to learn but all those who don’t want to stay at school will only spoil the class and disturb their classmates.
In my opinion 16 years old is a good limit for compulsory education.
The Minister doesn´t know the education reality. He has never been in a class with thirty teenagers, who , about 30% of them, don´t want to study.
ResponderEliminarI´m a teacher and I´m tired of seeing a lot of young people with a shoe size 40 who spend six hours a day sitting in a chair without doing anything. I don´t want this kind of education any longer, who does?
Pilar Huerta